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SSkyvington Jun 29 2018 at 9:01 PM |
I’ve read somewhere that Pat has something like 10 releases in the can, but three years have passed since his last recording without him putting anything new out. Just wondering if a new release or multiple releases are coming sometime in 2018. Would especially like to hear how he sounds with his latest group. Cheers. |
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MarcNebo May 07 2020 at 8:55 PM |
I think Pat in recent years has slowed down the pace on recording. He is 65 years old and still tours like he did in the
early years and he has a family. He seems to take a long time between CDs to think about who he wants to have on
the recording plus he wants to do something completely different and set a high standard before he releases it.
That’s why I have a hard time listing my favorite Pat CDs or even top ten or twenty.
I would like to see a recording from his Side-Eye project, but he may have something else brewing. All I expect is it
will be great when it happens.
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franksexton May 06 2020 at 11:57 AM |
wonder if Pat is working on anymore releases since he is unable to travel ?
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Antoñete Nov 14 2019 at 11:07 AM |
AT LAST!!!! Ouyeeeeeeaaaaahhh!
But... february 21st... Too long today. Tomorrow will
be shorter. ;)
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Antoñete Sep 09 2019 at 3:14 PM |
Sunship, try and find that article, please.
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hman01 Sep 06 2019 at 8:34 AM |
I know Pat has a phenomenal output of recordings which I still enjoy. But I’m really jonesing for something new!
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sunship Sep 05 2019 at 9:59 AM |
Dear Frank Sexton,
There is a recent article in Spanish out there and I can try to find it if you want. It states that Pat will release
something new in early 2020.
I think it is legit.
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franksexton Sep 04 2019 at 4:22 PM |
according to the Tour schedule there is a break between Nov26 and Mar20 of next year so we can always hope that
maybe he will do something between then.
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franksexton Apr 23 2019 at 10:54 AM |
Until or if or when he does we can least either travel lond distances to see him or listen to what he has already
released or listen to other releases. Bill Frisell and Thomas Morgan have two releases now the first of which reminds
me a lot of Beyond the Missouri Sky.
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naut Apr 14 2019 at 7:03 PM |
Thanks for understanding my tongue-in-cheek previous post which certainly wasn’t any kind of "attack" or real criticism of your eminence, mole. All play. I figured you would, but sometimes I sort of worry, since I am, almost completely, f.o.s. And you’re right: "Sweetheart" is another keeper from that great record. BTW, my mother became a huge Dylan fan in her late 70s, going so far as to see him in concert in CA. (She didn’t have much good to say about his showmanship, which, of course, is legendary.)
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molesoulsandal Apr 14 2019 at 2:39 PM |
yea naut, like i said, we’re getting into the ’splitting hairs’ region - haha. all of those ones that we so adoringly speak of are wunnerful artists and the world has been changed by them . . . . . btw, ’sweetheart like you’ is also a shining gem from the infidels album . . . . all that ’to walk across cut glass to make a deal’ stuff just sends me . . yes it do.
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naut Apr 13 2019 at 10:15 AM |
It’s a-ok to be wrong, mole. Cuz when yer wrong, yer wrong. (hehe) Let me refine my idea of literate so youz can come over to the right way of thinking. Joni is literate in a narrative way most on the records spanning C&S through NRH, reaching an apex, perhaps, in three middle albums, HoSL, Hejira, & DJRD. Her biblical recastings in "Love," "Jericho" and "The Sire of Sorrow" are exquisite and contemporary (as are Bobbie’s, but that goes without saying), as is her interpretative modification of Yeats’ great poem on NRH. (How’s that for a smidgen of critical b.s.?) "Lakota" is an amazing American anthem rather under appreciated. To me, the Beatles wrote many more imaginative songs with metaphorical power, humor, and melodic longevity than Joni, but I don’t really think they were more literate than she. If I implied she was "better" than the Beatles, forgive me. They are just different artists, each and all supreme in various ways. -- Love Infidels ("Jokerman" - court jesters & office holders; "Neighborhood Bully" - Israel; "License to Kill" - any so-called leader of the past 100 years or longer; "I and I" - Buber & orthodox religion; "Man of Peace" - so true; "Union Sundown" - "I can see the day coming when even your home garden / Is gonna be against the law") Hoo boy. One of my favorite BD albums!
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molesoulsandal Apr 12 2019 at 2:51 PM |
i must most respectfully disagree witcha, naut, when you said that joni ’surpasses’ in a ’literary’ sense, the beatles . . . . i think she’s on par with them, but i don’t think she’s ’better’ . . . as you know, at that point, we’re really splitting hairs, anyway - haha . . . . . . . . . . . . dylan was a ’shooting star’ - his years before the legendary motorcyle wreck were as great of a 6, or so, years as anyone could ever strive for, but after that, no matter that he still sells out venues globally and croaks along dutifully, physically resembling more of a ’raisin in a cowboy suit’, than the rural poet and musician that he actually is/was, he’s only had a smattering of bright & clear moments, such as ’john wesley harding’, ’nashville skyline’, ’desire’, and ’infidels’ . . . . . but folks all over the world continue to praise him loudly, as if, on a consistent basis, over the past 55+ years that he’s just been spilling out ’high art’, which is anything but true, and anything but accurate . . . . . . there’s a lotta ’lying’ going on - more than ever, and sometimes it’s just too much, you know? what would it hurt to have a break from it? how’s about a coupla weeks sometime where virtually everything out of everyone’s mouths was awfully darn close to being true? how about it? and while we’re at it, how’s about a new album from pat, eh? i would like to hear another one w/anna maria jopek . . . i’ve heard her recent one w/branford and it’s pretty special, i think. and i would nearly give up the ghost to hear pat & esperanza do stuff together . . . . . would also love to hear another pat album akin to the ’quartet’ album . . . . you know, all that mostly ’spontaneous’, mostly ’acoustic’ stuff, w/some ’electrical’ drizzled over it . . . . whatever, it’s all good . . . we’ll just do these good things . . . . and in the truly immortal words of brother dave gardner: ’ . . well, it don’t make me no never mind - i believe that between swinging and not swinging is what moves us . . . . and it’s not so much the pendulum as it goes to and fro but rather the essence that drives it that makes us go - see! ’
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hman01 Apr 12 2019 at 9:04 AM |
I always thought it would be cool if he released a whole bunch of concert releases like Phish did a while
back. Something like "Denver 2/3/94" or "Clearwater 4/9/2016". And they,d all be the length of 2 or 3 CDs. It would be
like total overload, if there is such a thing with such great music. But now I’m just gettin’ downright greedy...
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franksexton Apr 11 2019 at 10:43 AM |
just imagine some some in the future when Pat no longer is able to perform like he currently does and decides to
release much of the recordings that me must have already made. I can see him easily performing into his eighties or
maybe even nineties.
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molesoulsandal Apr 11 2019 at 7:57 AM |
and in the words of bill murray’s character, jeff slater, in the movie ’tootsie’: ’ . . well, i guess since i’m awake, i might as well do some writing . .’
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molesoulsandal Apr 11 2019 at 7:55 AM |
james taylor said in about 1970: ’joni’s the best one of us all’ . . . . always so true and generous, that guy . . . . her song ’talk to me’ is, indeed naut, a mighty thing . . ’till i pissed a tequila anaconda across the parking lot’ . . . . yeah, right . . . . . who writes stuff like that? roberta joan anderson mitchell, dat’s who!!
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naut Apr 10 2019 at 3:18 PM |
I have to admit the "weak and a lazy mind" slipped right by me, mole. A person could quote Joni all day long and still have lines left to burn. She is, imnsho, the most literate of songwriters, more so than Dylan or the Beatles or even Patricia Barber, all of whom write superb songs, yet Miss Roberta surpasses them on literary merits (the evocative allusions of the title track on DJRD boggle the mind, as does the writing in "Talk to Me," to briefly name two songs), if not harmonies (Beatles win that one) and memorable melodies (Beatles again). You undoubtedly know this, mole, but word has it that Plato’s teacher once said something to the effect of "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing." So you’re in good company, my friend! / And since I’m here, I shall answer S Skyvington’s question once again in the affirmative. YES!
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molesoulsandal Apr 09 2019 at 1:47 PM |
oh, and hey naut, thanks for providing the ’u’ . . . . it turns out that, over time, i’ve known many people, professors included, who have used the spelling that i did, so i’ve always discerned that the 2 spellings were ’optional’ . . . but i looked it up (because that’s what we ones do, isn’t it? we look stuff up - we research - we spend time - we still know nothing - haha!), and evidently it is NOT an optional spelling, so i stand corrected, but still tall . . . . . . . . . say hey to whoever passes by, and let’s all hope for a new pat album real, real soon . . . . . .
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molesoulsandal Apr 09 2019 at 7:58 AM |
guilty as charged, naut (haha) . . . the ’eskimo’ reference DOES, indeed, have to do w/joni, as does the ’a weak and a lazy mind’ bit, from her song ’peoples parties’ . . . . . . . while living on nerves and feelings, i have a tendency to quote all sorts o’ people, with great abandon, because i can, and because i think that’s one reason that we write all this stuff is so we can, again as joni said, have our souls circulated around . . . . and btw, that was a great henry quote!
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naut Apr 06 2019 at 3:28 AM |
"gotdam ’religious’ jive or fairy tale fooking regions of a weak and a lazy mind": methinks you speak of MOST of "them" molemeister. "eskimo": Is that an allusion to Miss Roberta’s "Coyote"? BTW, here’s your "u". And finally, Pat WILL release another CD sometime, but as Mr. HDT said: "I have not the most definite designs on the future."
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molesoulsandal Apr 05 2019 at 2:30 PM |
also naut - thanks for the tip on the linhart/joni website link . . . another great pat interview!
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molesoulsandal Apr 05 2019 at 1:58 PM |
yes naut, i feared after i wrote that, that it would be misunderstood, as is so often the case w/such things . . . . i was, indeed, speaking metaphorically and have zero ties to any gotdam ’religious’ jive or fairy tale fooking regions of a weak and a lazy mind . . . . . it’s funny, i’ve got a song lyric that goes: ’ . . . make peace your master and lord . . ’ , and you wouldn’t believe (but maybe you would!) how often that people (the ones that don’t listen, you know) always think that i’m saying ’ . . make peace WITH your master and lord . . .’ . . . it really can piss me off, and if i’m in a buoyant mood it can strike me as humorous . . . . . whatever the case, dear naut, philosophically speaking, this eskimo’s a hopefully thoughtful ’thoreavian’, and not much else . . . . doesn’t really matter tho, eh? we’re all going to find out something, sooner or later . . . . .
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naut Apr 05 2019 at 2:19 AM |
One site where the Linhart interview that kejur quotes is posted in full is jonimitchell.com: "Pat Metheny Q&A: A musician in pursuit of the perfect song" -- Bravo, mole. I agree with much of your 4-4 post, except maybe that part about heaven. Some people believe and some don’t. (There isn’t a hell either.) Perhaps you were only speaking metaphorically, and I can go with you if that’s the case. Your faith in the planet to us earthbound creatures, including all the animals and insects, birds and fishes, is laudable.
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molesoulsandal Apr 04 2019 at 1:39 PM |
i rather think that just the ’idea’ that we now use the word ’interface’ with regard to ’music’ is a little cockeyed . . . . . . . . no matter how incredibly transcendently that pat and his bunch, and herbie, da beatles, and zawinul and lots and lots of other like-minded and butiful peoples of the art/music world have utilized ’technology’, i truly believe that every last one of them would agree that music played/sang mostly ’acoustically’, performed by more than one or two persons, with ALL of them being in the same room at the same time, etc., is probably how most of the music is offered up in heaven . . . . . dunno, just sayin’ . . . . i can’t help it - hearing the word ’interface’ used in conjunction with music is a tad disappointing to me . . . it’s sort of like using the word ’plastic’ to describe ’glass blowing’ . . . . . ’of the earth’ is STILL what’s gonna ’save’ us, if we care, and that particular ’new earth’ will never, ever, at no time, have any room for the ’artificial’ . . . . . . meanwhile, what’s gonna happen when they won’t actually need musicians anymore? - haha . . . . just kidding, but it IS a thought . . . .
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hman01 Apr 04 2019 at 8:00 AM |
Thanks Kejur!
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kejur Apr 03 2019 at 11:45 PM |
I think that when Pat said "Interface" he was referring to the UI or User Interface. In other words, the design of the
program or site and how you navigate it.
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hman01 Apr 03 2019 at 8:05 AM |
Thanks Kejur for the interesting comments from Pat. This may be an ignorant question. Can anybody tell me what
the term "interface" means? Is it a general term for interacting with technology ? Or something else? Thanks!
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molesoulsandal Mar 26 2019 at 6:45 PM |
hey kejur - thanks for posting pat’s comments about the interfacing, etc. . . . . . . . i think that pretty much says it all concerning why we haven’t had any recent new releases by PM.
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kejur Mar 26 2019 at 9:33 AM |
From a recent interview:
Warren Linhart: Your recordings are impeccable, and they’ve demonstrated that you are very particular about sound
quality. Media as we know it (CDs, DVDs) is going away though interestingly, vinyl is making a resurgence. Streaming
is the way it’s going and many people are not happy about that. Not to get you riled up but what are your thoughts
on all this?
Pat Metheny: I feel like right now is a particularly bad time for those kinds of issues, but it’s also the method of
interfacing the music that we as musicians hope to offer to everybody and the way people are receiving it. It is
absolutely horrible, not only in the sound department, but in dealing with Spotify, Apple music… any of these, it’s a
nightmare because they all suck.
Their interfaces are horrible. The whole thing is a big mess. I have 100 percent confidence it’s going to get a lot better
someday, but I don’t know when that will be. I don’t think anybody has actually figured out how to get music to
people where they can really experience it because the truth is no one has heard any record that any of us have
made for the last 20 years in the way we’ve heard it in the studio unless you have a fantastic system at home and you
buy the hi-res versions and even then I have a feeling a lot of people might not notice the difference. Good notes are
good notes and something that’s great will be always great. I am lucky to have been able to live a life where I have
invested every bit of currency that I have into music which is a bank that’s pure gold. You can not beat good notes.
They live through everything.
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molesoulsandal Mar 24 2019 at 7:14 AM |
like everyone, i look forward to a new album or two from pat and his gang(s), but again, we are all so fortunate that his catalogue is soooooooooo VERY VAST, and i truly believe that no matter how many times we listen to the white album or speaking of now, we will forever continue find new adventures and inspiration therein . . . . . that’s what’s so incredible about transcendent music . . . . it always keeps giving to, and enriching, the soul . . . . . it’s been a terrific ’ride’, and as always, i can’t wait to see/hear what happens next!!
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kejur Mar 23 2019 at 5:59 PM |
At this point who knows what Pat has in mind? He doesn’t like the current state of music distribution. He’s happiest
playing live. Hopefully the wait won’t be too much longer for the next release. If he has a bunch of stuff ready to go,
hopefully the time between those releases won’t be years. There are few artists that I’m as excited about when it
comes to new releases than Pat. He pushes music forward and I’ve definitely been itching for some new Metheny
mojo.
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franksexton Mar 21 2019 at 11:05 AM |
just think of how much recorded music there must be , both live and studio ! Good things come to those who wait.
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naut Mar 20 2019 at 3:25 PM |
I think Pat is bound to release more music sooner or later; personally, I have no doubt of that. I think he’s just digging playing live everywhere all the time, with all the great cats he enlists for the music. It is, after all, one of his main passions in being a musician. But you’re right, Antoñete, it will be happy days when the time is right!
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Antoñete Mar 20 2019 at 2:19 PM |
Well it seems that he is not but if he does, it will be one of the happiest days in recent times in my life.
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franksexton Feb 02 2019 at 11:35 AM |
mole , the reason I asked you about if you heard of $100 guitar is that much of the music on it is somewhat out
there, what you could call experimental. ZTOF could be called that as well, so could Sign of 4.
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molesoulsandal Jan 31 2019 at 1:56 PM |
franksexton - hey, no, i dunno about the $100 guitar project . . . . will look it up, tho. ~ sidenote: was listening to pat’s opus ’everyday, i thank you’ this morning, and was remembering that pat said something to the effect that that particular song ’changed’ brecker’s playing - and it did - i noticed it, too . . . . . he just became even MORE ’fluid’, and even MORE ’true’ after that - it’s hard to pinpoint or explain, but everyone who listens understands, eh?
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franksexton Jan 30 2019 at 1:42 PM |
hey mole I liked your post regarding ZTOF. Have you heard of $100 guitar project (http://www.100dollarguitar.com/) ?
I wonder if Pat was ever asked to participate?
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molesoulsandal Jan 26 2019 at 3:17 PM |
hey franksexton - i dunno, but i don’t think that PM is/was very ’bothered’ about critical reaction to ’zero tolerance for silence’ - i think he accomplished exactly what he was intending with that record . . . . now, mind you, it’s not my favorite pat record either, altho i don’t feel as strongly negative towards it as i did when i first heard it - normally tho, i prefer my ’outside pat’ to be more in line with ’song X’ or the stuff w/derek bailey, but i think pat did just what his vision was for that album . . he said that he was shooting for ’flat music’, ’2-D’ rather then his more usual ’3-D’ . . . . . . . . . . here’s a coupla funny stories about that album: pat’s mom lois, told me on the phone about 20 years ago that she just ’hated’ that record - haha! . . . . plus, i purchased it the day it was released in ’94, of course, brought it home, listened to it, got really upset, and even tho, like so many others of ya’ll out there, i considered myself gawd’s own pat fan, i swiftly went to the ole’ toolbox, pulled out a hammer and a long, thick nail, and proceeded to nail the CD to the living room wall of our domicile!! . . . . a very embarrassing thing to admit, but i did do that! . . . . afterwards, of course, a couple of days later, i took it down from the wall & went and purchased another one . . . . . so you see, i was initially a most harsh & severe critic of zero tolerance, and even tho it might not have been what i wanted to hear at that particular time, it certainly did not deserve a stake through it’s heart!! . . . . next time i have an urge to do such a thing i will make sure that it’s a kenny G album, or someone equally a parasite on the art world . . . . hahaha.
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molesoulsandal Jan 25 2019 at 6:36 PM |
yossarian - for what it’s worth, BRAVO for placing the accent on pat’s ’body of work’ rather than grumping because he’s not put out a recent record. truly, i’m amazed how anyone could ask anything more (’new’, that is) of him!
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molesoulsandal Jan 25 2019 at 2:02 PM |
i think that pat probably still verra much adores recording in the studio, etc. - for one thing, as is well known, he’s a complete mighty master of it’s processes . . . . . . . perhaps making a record is rather akin to writing a book: there’s a high level of ’finality’, or ’permanence’, there, and you want to make rock solid certain that it comes out precisely like you feel it & envision it . . . . . playing live/gigs, you get to ’stretch out’ and dance a bit more . . . in the studio, it’s usually a tad more ’calculated’, if only ever so slightly - (nobody’s saying here that ’wildness’ can’t be accessed and produced in a studio, too - ha!) . . . . . . . . i don’t know why PM hasn’t put out a record album lately, and in a way i sort of think it rather sophomoric to spend too much more time pondering it, but as i keep saying ad nauseum, pat metheny, and his circle, has produced soooooooooooooooo much multi-level material over the decades that i think it will be years, or lifetimes from now that all of us have sufficiently digested all of it. what a gift for everyone!
. . . . and to insufferably continue on about absorbing pat’s vast catalogue, i really think that the ’fan’ can sometimes be somewhat infantile . . . . we know that the baby/infant hooman bean invariably wants to ’do it again’, whenever ’something good’ comes it’s way, whether it be a hershey’s kiss, or just a general kiss, or a tummy-tickle, or whatever the glorious ’feeling’ might be - they always want to do it again right away . . . . and i think that the ’fan’ of these various ’art’ idioms can be like that, too. you know: ’gimmee more - right now!’, and that sort of thing . . . . . . i truly believe that if ’bright size life’ was the only recording to date that pat had produced, that there is still magic things inside that we haven’t fully ’heard’ yet . . . . . shit, that’s what’s SO great about music, eh??
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patsfan Jan 16 2019 at 10:53 PM |
Sorry, Mole, it seemed like something you’d say but I agree with Frank ... I think Pat is only motivated in playing to live audiences.... Well, after 40+
years how would you feel ? Especially remembering Pat’s interview approx 1985 where he described putting
100,000 miles on the road per year entertaining . That’s still in his blood ! An amazing record almost no
artist today can match !!! I just think back ... I just listened to the ’End of the Game’.etc etc ... and I think
that amazing creativity that will keep going and going .....
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franksexton Jan 16 2019 at 1:09 PM |
I wasn’t responding to Richard, just making an observation about Pat. In an interview a while back he stated that his
last group had recorded a studio session of all new material but was too busy playing be able to finish and release it.
Who knows what else he has recorded. The fact that he as been touring almost nonstop for least a couple of years now
and now is scheduling for another new thing points to how much he loves to just play. Pat is far more that just a player
, he is a fantastic composer of music as well. I hope he finds the time somehow to release some recorded music for
those of us unable to travel to see him in person.
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yossarian Jan 16 2019 at 8:49 AM |
Just go with the artist. The economics have changed radically for sure. But Pat’s body of work is enormous and
timeless so ’new’ releases are not the be all and end all. One area of Pat’s work which can be overlooked is the number of sublime vocal tunes, from
Mas Alla to You there are quite a few beautiful songs for singers. It could be an area for more exploration, but of
course it’s all down to the artist’s feeling, not the audience. Whatever happens going forward there is so much music
- including sideman stuff - to explore that Pat’s ubiquity is hardly dissipating.
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molesoulsandal Jan 16 2019 at 5:01 AM |
hey patsfan - i didn’t say that about rodby producing . . . franksexton did.
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patsfan Jan 15 2019 at 8:00 PM |
Well, interesting ’musical touche’ between mole and Richard... I do think
Richard is too $$$$ oriented as far as Pat’s motivation to make albums. Pat
could probably give a hoot as to album profits ... really, here you have a
legendary jazz musician that simply LOVES to play to an appreciative
audience... period. And, as Mole says, it would take some extra motivation on
the part of a ’Rodby’ to get the ball rolling.
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franksexton Jan 09 2019 at 11:42 AM |
I think Pat should hire Steve Rodby to produce his albums. I think Pat just loves to play.
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richardguitar Nov 05 2018 at 5:51 PM |
#molesoulsandal: Well sorry, I don´t think you have understood what this is all about at all...that you have
something valid to say is the basic requirement met by any good musician in the first place. Its not about that
music getting a chance to be heard, its about all the COSTS and WORK involved recording it in the first place, so
you CAN theoretically through it up in the air...but why would you keep on producing without at least a minimal
fair chance to recoup your investment in both hard work and money?? To make it simple for you, I´d suggest you
check out John Mclaughlins State of the musical Arts, then it may be easier for you to understand what the
problem is:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=utqp7ECKUl0
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molesoulsandal Oct 31 2018 at 2:52 PM |
richardguitar: take it easy, my man . . . all of this IS ’stoopid’ because, as pat himself said decades ago, if you’ve got ’something to say’, and it’s valid, then there’s a good chance that it WILL be heard . . . . there’s all kinds of ways to get your recorded music ’out there’ . . . . i am rock solid certain that pat has oodles of good reasons for why he hasn’t released anything for a while . . . . besides, and like i said before, these artists are not obligated to produce ANYTHING, EVER . . . . . these ’records’ are gifts . . . . . . . and, again, i think that most of us floating around out here have not 100percent digested ALL of the voluminous amount of recorded music that pat, and others, have offered up so far! so there, mate!
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franksexton Oct 31 2018 at 10:48 AM |
as far as Pat’s net worth he is well off, I don’t he has ever been motivated by that. He just doesn’t want to
put out junk. I wonder if he was affected by the criticism he received over Zero Tolerance for Silence .
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richardguitar Oct 30 2018 at 11:17 AM |
#molesoulsandal Well, if it is all that "stoopid", why don´t you make the change and step forward by donating the
costs to produce a CD of say g.e. 8000,- to any great musician of your choice, so she/he can write the
compositions, pay the musicians, pay the studio, pay to physically press the CD or vinyl, as well as some
promotion, and then throw it up in the air, to see were it all falls?? My educated guess is that: 1) you don´t work
for free yourself (unless you are extremely wealthy) and 2) there may be some room left for serious consideration
of what you are actually promoting...
Chances are, that the results of the devaluation and thus diminishing production of meaningful well recorded
music will only be felt in a while by enough listeners, so that a change of thinking may occur...just think about, why
Pat hasn´t released any new music in a while, there is an answer.-
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franksexton Oct 18 2018 at 12:51 PM |
i’m with you , thirdwind. When he put together the Unity band I thought it would be great for them to redo
the stuff he did with Micheal Brecker. Turns the new stuff he wrote for that was way better. There is an
already recorded but not yet released album with new songs coming, if you believe the interview with him I
read sometime ago.
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thirdwind Oct 18 2018 at 2:05 AM |
I thoroughly enjoyed tonight’s oldies jam in Denver. Can’’t ever get enough of the old tunes, and Pat’s very
experimental with them now. Pat the Guitarist is still in his prime. But what we’re missing though these four long
years since an album of new material is any contact with Pat the Composer. That’s his highest skill, IMHO. He’s a
great guitarist at every level, but there are others. And some of my favorite songs had minimal or no actual guitar
playing- for example, First Circle, The Awakening, and the orchestral passages of Secret Story. Then there’s the
intricate counterpoint of the Orchestrion songs. Who else brings us these miracles?
New compositions. New concepts. That’s what were missing without new albums.
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franksexton Oct 15 2018 at 10:28 AM |
i read in an interview that the band he is touring now actually recorded an album of all new songs but he has been so
busy touring he hasn’t had the time to finish it. hope its sooner rather than later. wouldn’t a duet album with Ron
Cater be great also ?
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naut Oct 11 2018 at 8:45 AM |
The mole’s on a roll. You go, bro!
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molesoulsandal Oct 10 2018 at 2:59 PM |
i think it’s just all so much fluff, not to mention a little stoopid . . . . . why not just put out record albums because you love it and it represents a ’history’, a ’record’, if you will, of your musical growth over time? why not do that? - just like it’s always been . . . . as opposed to it being some manner of ’business venture’ . . . . . . this whole thing got blown waaaaaaaay out of proportion as far back as the late 60s & early 70s, after everybody wanted to have the same, what they thought was, ’financial success’ as the beatles/stones, etc. . . . . . little did they know that the fabs dint make all that much $$$ anyway - not compared to such sludge debris as madonna, beiber, and cardi B . . . . . . . . at any rate, any professional musician will tell you that, down thru the ages, you don’t ’make your money’ off your record albums - you ’pay the rent’ by touring and playing live gigs . . . . it has always been thattaway, and it always will be . . . . . so, i say, that if ya ’got something to say’, make a record and shoot it out into the social skyway, and let the chips, and the dollars & cents, fall where they may.
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marshall Oct 08 2018 at 12:05 PM |
Streaming services and albums aren’t mutually exclusive though. I stream almost all of my music, but it’s stored as
albums in the cloud. If I want to listen to The Way Up, I’ll stream The Way Up. What’s the deal here?
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richardguitar Oct 02 2018 at 9:07 AM |
Scary development indeed, as much
as the availability of so much music
almost for free seems to be great on
the surface, the drawbacks for the
recording musicians are only too
obvious. I currently find it hard to find
a way around the hesitation to
produce and release new stuff,
although writing new stuff and
getting it out to the listeners is my
core mission in life...stopping really
goes totally against the fascination of
new music coming up in ones creative
system, calling for to be brought into
daylight as a new composition...well,
at least we can play it live, but the
listeners will have to live just with the
memory of that performance...like in
the days before recorded music.
Maybe if those effects are felt on a
big enough scale, the effective change
fot the better may have a chance...till
then its music survival time...;-)
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BobSmith1 Oct 01 2018 at 12:20 PM |
I was reading a few days ago that streaming services such as Spotify, Tidal, etc., now account for around 75percent of all music sales now. 75percent! CD’s 10percent, digital downloads 10percent, vinyl a few percent and the remaining percent all the other stuff, paid radio, etc. Really a changed world and I imagine that Pat is thankful that the heyday of his early work, by far, happened in the old era.
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richardguitar Oct 01 2018 at 11:36 AM |
Being a guitarist, composer as well label owner myself, I can
totally sympathize with the reluctance of releasing a new CD
these days, since just sinking away in the streaming desert is
a total disaster for any musician bringing about the work with all
it entails for free - it is plain disrespect and theft by those major
companies, who make plenty of cash via adsales on the back of
creative people all over the world. A true motivation killer, until
CDs or downloads in some sort of way at least theoretically allow
for an artist to have a fair chance to recoup his costs and
efforts. Artist Share is great, but who really wants to go
"begging", beyond and on top of all the work to produce and
release a CD, no matter how one burns for the music? It is just
frustrating and very hard to move on despite all these
developments- sure, playing live is great, but where will we
culturally be in 10 years?
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kejur Sep 22 2018 at 6:25 PM |
https://www.sheltonherald.com/116263/pat-metheny-finds-inspiration-inside-music/
AV: Is a new album in the works?
PM: Like many musicians, I am trying to figure out exactly what the future of recorded music is as the music business changes. At the moment I have five completed albums that I have not put out yet as I am waiting to see where things are going. All of them are very different and I look forward to a time I can release them in a great way for people to enjoy.
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naut Sep 08 2018 at 6:31 PM |
Well put, mole. Of course, I don’t really know what’s going on with Pat and the future of his releases, but I will say this: It can be rather difficult to feel hopeful or creative in this period of political upheaval and foolish, ignorant, childish leadership. Some artists may claim that this kind of distress bolsters creativity, which may be true for some. In all likelihood Pat is well above the fray of politics, as he often looks to the future in his talks, and his music is certainly timeless and his catalogue one for the ages. So thanks for your thoughtful comments, Mr. Sandal.
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molesoulsandal Sep 07 2018 at 2:38 PM |
maybe just listen to the albums that have already been released to the public up to this point . . . . . . . myriad listenings of any of them couldn’t even begin to reveal every single treasure that lies within, as am sure you know . . . . . . . . . i think in one way, pat, and many other such prolific artists, have already ’put out enough records’ . . . . . . i respectfully and humbly do not believe that record albums are something that these folks are ’obligated’ to produce . . . . i see them as ’gifts’, and do not think we would have the ’right’ to ask for them . . . . . we all want to hear ’new recorded stuff’ from pat, and others, but until i’ve completely & 100percent digested all of the previous stuff, i guess that i’ll just have to ’lump it’ - haha!! (and i’ve been listening intensely/devotedly to PM since 1976!!)
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mkitahara Sep 07 2018 at 2:32 AM |
Perhaps Pat doesn’t recognize the magnitude of his legacy. This guy’s music has been an integral part of my life. I’ve had the great fortune of traveling all over the world and his songs remind me of so many places, moods, textures, events, seasons and on and on. It’s the bulk of what I always listen to. Just as sports superstars want to win championships, Pat’s legacy should be to produce the finest works he can with the time he has left. Touring is great, but make up on a very small percentage of his fans, who can’t afford or are geographically incapable of seeing him live.
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kejur Sep 03 2018 at 6:45 PM |
I think he’s just really enjoying touring right now. I’m hoping that there will be at least 2-3 releases from Pat before the end of 2018.
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Oystein Aug 15 2018 at 9:17 AM |
From my little corner of the world, it can be frustrating to only be able to experience new stuff from my favourite
artist in live shows. He doesn`t visit Norway that often, and for me there is a whole lot of time and money involved in
a trip to the US...:-) So, a brand new, shortly-to-be-released, group album would be just fine, thank you!
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MarcNebo Aug 14 2018 at 10:21 AM |
Stand by for news. Trust me.
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thirdwind Aug 07 2018 at 4:06 PM |
That’s disturbing. To think that one of the most successful and acclaimed musicians of our time has
new work sitting on the shelf because of business reasons... that’s a great failure of the marketplace,
and an aesthetic tragedy. I know that album sales are suffering, but other artists are still releasing
them. Bill Frisell, for instance, has put out four albums in his own name since 2014, plus many side
gigs. Every unknown artist I hear tries to sell me their latest CD. So this is hard to understand. Pat’s
made great records in a few hours’ studio time (on ECM), and he’s made costly, ambitious projects
(like Orchestrion). Some way or another, it seems like he could put out a record if he wanted to. I’d
surely buy it!
Maria Schneider, a composer and bandleader who I place on the same high shelf as PM, had many
delays in getting new work released. Now she’s with ArtistShare, a subscription model that gives
access to rehearsals and other bonus material that give fans a look at the work at it evolves. I’d be
delighted to buy into that kind of arrangement supporting Metheny’s music. I’m sure he’s had a
chance to consider that, too, so I remain befuddled and disappointed by this long hiatus.
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kejur Aug 05 2018 at 4:38 AM |
From a recent interview in the Berkshire Eagle:
Q. What projects are you working on currently? New album coming out soon?
A. I have several really exciting records done at the moment and, like many musicians, am wrestling with the realities of what recordings mean in today’s world. Touring and playing gigs has always been the primary destination for me. As an improvising musician, it is what you can get to night to night that is the actual final "product" of your efforts. Early on, I think I thought the records were more like an ad to get people to come to the gig. But I really appreciate now that they turn out to be much more than that. But nevertheless, I am already pretty well acclimated to the way things are set up now in the "new" music business where it is really mostly only about live performance anymore. That is basically the way I have always approached it anyway.
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molesoulsandal Jul 12 2018 at 7:39 AM |
naut - that’s exactly why that i frequently use the ’ha’ bit . . . . i didn’t used to, but people would often not ’get it’ when i was doing tongue-in-cheek, or whatever, and so in order not to have any confusion, nor the oh-so-dreaded ’misunderstanding’ with the ones who ’don’t listen well’, i have resorted to using the ’ha’, and all that . . . . i’d rather not, because my mother used to use ’ha’ ALL THE TIME when she would write me letters, and i always kind of didn’t dig it, but i’d rather do that than having recipients of my info think that i was being serious when i was just joking around . . . . . btw, i thought what you wrote was hilarious, especially the ’wes-wannabe’ thingie, and i’ll bet pat would chuckle at it, too! . . . . . . . let’s hear it for ’elevated humor’!!!
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thirdwind Jul 10 2018 at 11:45 AM |
I was just now pondering this question on another forum. It’s been four years since the last all-new
Unity Band album came. That debut concert for his composition with the L.A Guitar Quartet was almost
two years ago, and it’s still not available, I don’t think.
Not that Pat owes anything more, but I’d certainly like to hear more. He’s my favorite composer, after
all. At this rate, I won’t live to hear those ten albums! This kind of dry spell has no precedent in his long
career, and I can hardly even speculate why.
The last US Unity Group tour, almost two years ago, had two or three new songs (and at least one new
wild, intense guitar sound), but without recordings to back them up, even Pat’s robust melodies don’t
sink in. If you’ve seen the PMUG lately, how much new material was played?
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naut Jul 09 2018 at 3:59 PM |
Ah, come on, folks. Who wants another mediocre album from a washed-up, has-been Wes-wannabe who’s only been toodling along for the past forty years, barely getting by artistically and musically? ME! That’s who! (Ha! as mole would say.) -- I didn’t get to see the Evening quartet either, but they’re making a swing through my neck of the woods in autumn, so I hope to catch them then--maybe twice if I’m lucky. (BTW, that first part was a joke; I say this for the benefit of those who sit in judgment.)
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Kooltrane Jul 09 2018 at 7:57 AM |
Let’s not get greedy folks.
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patsfan Jul 03 2018 at 10:41 PM |
You know. .... Pat has produced so many great albums in the past 40 years that
I can’t believe that it’s possible to produce anything better. But I’m looking
forward to his next album and a whole new dimension .. that he seems to
conjure up repeatedly.
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hman01 Jun 30 2018 at 10:30 AM |
I’m hoping for another recording to add to his already massive output. The usual fan wanting even more!
I’m anxious for a release with his "Evening with Pat Metheny" band. It’s the only show I had to miss in 35
years. But, I’ll take anything because I know it’s all great!
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molesoulsandal Jun 30 2018 at 9:40 AM |
am likewise looking forward to a new pat album with the current touring quartet . . . . have not heard one note of their stuff, but can’t wait!
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