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jcoyle231
Jul 20 2021
at 3:14 PM
My guess is that Offramp, almost 40 years old now, hasn’t gotten the same attention and acclaim that other great Group albums have, but I think that song for song it’s one of the most interesting and diverse recordings they’ve done. I’ve been listening to it a lot lately due to a current obsession with “Au Lait” and I find myself marveling at how great each track is and how many moods it creates. Time for a reconsideration?
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MarcNebo
Sep 29 2021
at 11:45 PM
Bookmark and Share Kooltrane : I just went to the Pat Metheny Database Concert Chronology to confirm your NYC show. It looks like it could have been on July 24th 1981 (8:00 & 11:30) shows. It was at Town Hall in NYC. The PMD website has helped me confirm most of my fifty or so times I have seen Pat in Chicago, Southern California, Wisconsin and elsewhere in the US. I still have two shows unconfirmed in SoCal. I know I saw the PMG at UCSD and the Orange County Performing Arts Center between 1986 to 1990. One of these days I will finally confirm the shows and will have a more accurate concert count.
facing west
Sep 29 2021
at 10:03 AM
Bookmark and Share Another cool thing about this great album is that it still has a slightly futuristic ’sci-fi’ feel that doesn’t feel dated--40 years later. Credit the writing--every track tells a story--and the production. Also, have to credit the wonderful Nana Vasconcelos for his otherworldly vocals and percussion.
patsfan
Sep 29 2021
at 12:29 AM
Bookmark and Share I have listened to Offramp every single day since May !! The cd is in my car radio and I won’t remove it, yet . I find it incredibly uplifting , almost spiritual., maybe because it comes with 40 years of memories.. Aside from that , however, it deserves to be a all time classic in jazz ( and, a nice dose of newage synth ). One of Pat’s best albums. Aside from that, I can’t understand why many contemporaries have never heard of Pat Metheny,... and the Millenisl generation, sadly missed good jazz period.
Kooltrane
Sep 26 2021
at 4:09 PM
Bookmark and Share I remember seeing the PMG at Town Hall in NYC around 1980 (?) and the band was playing tunes from an upcoming record that was still a work in progress. They played several untitled works including a "James-Taylor-Type-Tune" (his words), followed by a wild, synth-laden free-for-all, followed by a 10-12 minute hypnotic work in 4/4 that gradually peaked into a sonic mind-blower. I think we know where they all ended up.
MarcNebo
Sep 26 2021
at 1:49 PM
Bookmark and Share Your Montreal Pat experience was similar to my Detroit Jazz Festival trip in 2015. Pat was the Artist-In-Residence and played all four nights with a different band. Night one was Pat Metheny Trio (Scott Colley and Antonio Sanchez) with Kenny Garrett playing part of the set. The next night was the Gary Burton Quartet (Pat, Scott and Antonio). I missed the Pat and Ron Carter Duo because of a fall at that stage. The last night was the Eberhard Weber tribute with Danny Gottlieb, Scott Colley, Gary Burton and the DJF Orchestra. After the tribute Pat played solo with the DJFO accompanying him. My ultimate Pat experience. I got to talk briefly with Pat after the show.
GaiaGirl
Sep 26 2021
at 3:02 AM
Bookmark and Share Ha, I just drove home from the Pat show in SF listening to OFFRAMP and remembering what a great album it is!
facing west
Sep 24 2021
at 2:42 PM
Bookmark and Share Interesting thread with some great takes and suggestions. I agree that Offramp is an iconic record--from the evocative ’Turn Left’ artwork through compositions, execution and production. I recall PM commenting that when they were making this record he thought, "OK, now we’re really getting somewhere." That’s an amazing statement considering how much the band had already accomplished. The addition of Steve Rodby was the magic ingredient. I recall PM saying that Steve Rodby is maybe the guy that he learned the most from. That’s an incredible statement. But it speaks to all the intangibles that Steve brings to the table. Really enjoyed Lyle’s version of Au Lait from The Ludwigsburg Concert--gives me a whole new perspective on that tune. And the link to the Montreal video of AYGWM? Just incredible. I was at that show (along with 100,000 other people) but had forgotten how cool that interplay was on the solo between Gregoire and Lyle. PMG nirvana. Pat was on fire that week, and capped it with the Gary Burton reunion on Friday night. Then he switched venues to play an 80/81 reunion with Dewey Redman. He returned to the stage well after midnight for a burning duo with Mick Goodrick, Pat actually looked refreshed and capable of playing until daybreak. Incredible. I could go on about Montreal, but that’s a whole other thread. Thanks to all who posted on this Offramp thread.
jcoyle231
Aug 06 2021
at 9:03 AM
Bookmark and Share Glad you found it and enjoyed it sunbear. Those voices stay with you and I find myself ‘hearing’ it play in my head at different times throughout the day. Thanks.
sunbear
Aug 05 2021
at 1:26 PM
Bookmark and Share Thank you jcoyle231, I found it and have been listening to it non stop - fantastic take of a fantastic song!!! The more you listen to this song the more addicted you became to it...thank you again!!! sooooo much beauty ;)
jcoyle231
Aug 05 2021
at 10:23 AM
Bookmark and Share Hi sunbear, sorry about that. The YouTube listing is P. Metheny/L. Mays - “Au Lait” From: Akademia Muzyczna im. Ignacego Hope that helps.
sunbear
Aug 04 2021
at 1:43 AM
Bookmark and Share Hey jcoyle231, thank you for the link but when i use it it says "video unavailable", maybe because i’m located in Europe, could you just put the artist name and song title to find it in another way? Thank you!
jcoyle231
Aug 03 2021
at 8:21 AM
Bookmark and Share Here’s another short video I found on YouTube with 10 lovely voices from Poland, I believe, paying tribute to Pat and Lyle with “Au Lait” that I was very happy to have found. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TuE7NU- PQvM
sunbear
Aug 02 2021
at 5:36 PM
Bookmark and Share Very glad you enjoyed that one jcoyle231!!! I too, listened to it a few times today and got a big smile on my face ;)
jcoyle231
Aug 02 2021
at 4:21 PM
Bookmark and Share Thanks, sunbear, for the Tulio Mourao recommendation. Another great atmospheric and ethereal piece that would have been at home on the “A Map of the World” soundtrack. Highlight of the day!
sunbear
Aug 02 2021
at 3:01 AM
Bookmark and Share Hi all, a hidden treasure from ’89 that will surely make your day!!! Tulio Mourao & Pat Metheny - Depois Da Daixao , can be found on YouTube, enjoy!!!
jcoyle231
Aug 01 2021
at 2:10 PM
Bookmark and Share Hey sunbear, just listening to the gorgeous version of “Au Lait” from “The Ludwigsburg Concert” so thanks for the tip. Wonderful recording. And coincidentally, I very recently stumbled upon the Montreal ‘05 video of AYGWM, a version of which I believe I heard live way back when, and it still makes the hair on my arms stand up. The closeups of Pat playing his picasso are so great and as my son- in-law (now a big Pat fan and who along with my daughter will be going with me to the Side- Eye show in November, we hope) says, “mesmerizing.” The obsession with “Au Lait” continues. . . .
sunbear
Aug 01 2021
at 2:42 AM
Bookmark and Share Hey MarcNebo, thank you for the tip - I have watched the complete Montreal’05 years ago but I didn’t remember that they did the 2 harmonica thing there and I really enjoyed relieving that moment again!!! Also yes this is a great way to think of these 2 notes.. Pat to Lyle: "oh man, you are really making magic here, that’s a masterpiece, BRA - VO " I stick to this scenario ;) People, i noticed that "Au Lait" gets much much love from all of us and I’m sure you all know this version but in case you don’t, check Lyle’s version from his latest realize "The Ludwigsburg Concert" where he plays a 7-8 minutes long piano interlude which is definitely up to my most beloved moments of his - really unbelievable to think that he improvised this and actually I found some others videos in utube with the same quartet around that time playing " Au Lait" but in non of them he added such a long/gorgeous interlude and I feel we are really blessed that this recording managed to get publiced and of course there is soon coming out something "new" from Lyle so..."Bright Size Life"
MarcNebo
Jul 29 2021
at 11:31 PM
Bookmark and Share sunbear : Great news, you can relive the Lyle & Gregoire harmonica/"harmonica" duel on Are You Going With Me? online. I just found a video from the 2005 Montreal Jazz Festival with a really cool and unusual version of AYGWM? It starts with a four minute (approximate Pikasso Guitar Intro followed by Cuong Vu trumpet solo and builds into Lyle & Gregoire trading solos. Lots of cool vocals and more before Pat’s guitar goes to the Stratosphere. The only way I can direct you to the video is old school ( I am Old School, 67 in August). Google Videos search The Pat Metheny Group- Intro & Are you going with me? Montreal 2005. For some reason The Spirit of Rock was included before The Pat Metheny Group, I don’t know why. Video also has some great closeups of the Pikasso Guitar. Enjoy!
MarcNebo
Jul 29 2021
at 4:23 PM
Bookmark and Share sunbear : I also noticed that years ago and didn’t think a lot about it. Upon listening to it again on the 40th Anniversary I had to ask if anyone else heard it. Your theory is also one of my theories. Other lesser theory is Pat heard it on playback and decided to leave it in. First theory could of Pat saying Bravo to Lyles solo with those two notes.
jcoyle231
Jul 29 2021
at 3:00 PM
Bookmark and Share Regarding those two fast notes that Pat injects into Lyle’s solo: it sounds to me like Pat really wanted to fully join in, but instantly realizes that Lyle, almost in full swing and ready to crest the wave, shouldn’t be distracted and pulls the plug. For what it’s worth. . . .
sunbear
Jul 28 2021
at 6:10 PM
Bookmark and Share Hey MarcNebo, I too really love Lyle’s solo on James and yes, have been noticing these 2 notes that Pat plays since the first time I heard this song and so many years later, still get the same joy everytime I hear them back and definitely can’t imagine the solo without them ; ) of course I have no idea if they were on purpose or accidentally made but I have a little theory: Pat being such a musician always serving the music and not showing off his skills - in the specific situation the skills being playing the chords under Lyle’s solo - he decided to leave the music breath and stayed "out of the way" but at the same time, being the perfectionist he is, he felt that these 2 notes will add something valuable to the music so he went for it and I’m certainly happy he did so - it does gives the feeling of interaction which with improvised music is so important but still in a such elegant/minimalistic serving the music way !!! Nothing that I can proof here just my 2 cents ; )
MarcNebo
Jul 27 2021
at 10:55 PM
Bookmark and Share sunbear : Great review, I agree the recording is perfect. Everyone is clearly recorded with a very live feel. Steve Rodby’s bass pulse is crystal clear. Check out Lyle’s piano solo on James, one of his best. During Lyle’s solo pat plays two quick notes on the guitar. I am not sure if it is a mistake that Pat left in the recording ( another take would have ruined a great solo) or Pat thought it would fit. Anyone else notice it? What’s your theory? Are You Going With Me? sent chills down my spine again. I need to listen to it again soon, this time with my headphones and the volume knob at eleven! I am looking forward to hearing Side-Eye on October 15th in Chicago. Also I hope he books a gig in Toronto or Washington DC in 2022 (another version of Side-Eye). I have relatives in both cities and could save on lodging.
sunbear
Jul 27 2021
at 6:51 PM
Bookmark and Share Hey jcoyle231, you brought the "Offramp" topic to the table and as I already wrote it happens to be my most beloved record from Pat, then you brought the ballad topic where I purposely mentioned "If I could" and not another one because it is my most favorite ballad of his and now you write that your introduction to the PMG was through this specific song...hmm...I definitely see some connection there ;-) take care all of you good people!!!
MarcNebo
Jul 26 2021
at 9:53 PM
Bookmark and Share Thank you all for your posts and thank you to jcoyle231 for suggesting the subject. It’s cool to see all the responses and not so surprising to read that Offramp has impacted all of us the same. sunbear thanks for following my Posts, I have a lot to say about Pat and his music. It’s amazing that Pat also recorded As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls (maybe best record title ever) in 1981. Only Pat could put out two completely different records in one year. I just looked at his Discography at AllMusic.com and he released two records in 1989, 1996, 2000, 2012 and now this year. The pattern continues those years also. I am excited for what the future holds for Pat with his bands and recordings. I expect to see him do a big band record and I would expect him to get an all-star band with some of the best Jazz musicians. He could start with all the musicians that have played and recorded with him since Bright Size Life. Like the Allman Brothers Band and Grateful Dead he could have two drummers, Antonio Sanchez and Jack DeJohnette.
jcoyle231
Jul 26 2021
at 8:21 PM
Bookmark and Share Pat’s music has been like therapy for me during these dark and scary days. There’s so much hope, optimism, and joy in his music a quick (or extended) listen to some of my favorites, “Goodbye”, “To The End . . . “, “Last Train Home” can change the trajectory of my day. And sunbear, my introduction to PMG began when I heard “If I Could” on Penn’s radio station many years ago. I used to call and request it every weekend before I owned the recording. And can’t wait till I see him again live in November.
sunbear
Jul 26 2021
at 1:38 PM
Bookmark and Share Hello everybody, MarcNebo first of all thank you for all your great posts - read them more often than you know;) and of course I meant harmonica via the synth, actually was funny to witness during the Way Up tour Lyle & Gregoire Maret trading solos on "Are You" with the harmonica & the "harmonica" ;) I’ll keep for myself which harmonica I preferred that night;) I believe you all have seen the "official" video of "Are You" which takes place in a house and the band is there, also Nana of course and it is shorter in duration from the original piece but I find it really gorgeous made! Also what I forgot to add to my first post is the wonderful production/recording/mixing of the album which has a very warm & friendly to the ear sound and if I play the music really loud it never gets distorted or makes the speakers want to "explode" but breathes, doesn’t get boomy and feels just right! Jcoyle231 totally with you as far as concerns the ballad department: anytime I hear "If I could" or any of the so many great ballads Pat has played on, is so amazing that with just one note you can experience so many emotions. That’s why we love these guys/gals no? The make with their art our lives more beautiful! And Patsfan indeed 40th anniversary but in my opinion has not been dated at all - sounds so fresh and relevant that could have been a new release!!! Ahhh what an album folks...
patsfan
Jul 26 2021
at 1:01 AM
Bookmark and Share Yes, Offramp to incredible nostalgia for me... 40 yrs ago ... this was my introduction to ‘synth’ and the beauty it could elicit .. The Brazilian influence was obvious, Nana V. , the album starting with Barcarole .. a mix of Brazilian beats.. Then...Are you going with me ? ...( which I occasionally confuse with Imaginary Day’s Follow Me .. I really love the synth cymbal beat with Lyle’s synth harmonica ... and then Pat’s flute/ trumpet , .. But my favorite !!!! Au Lait !!!! A most beautiful pensive composition..!! Then the very upbeat rhythmic Eighteen,. Then Offramp, I interpret that as Pat’s statement that this album is indeed ‘Offramp’ .. Then James is great .... but the Bat is striking in it’s almost religious overtones... Happy 40 th Anniversary !!!
jcoyle231
Jul 25 2021
at 1:52 PM
Bookmark and Share Thanks, sunbear, great post. I was struck by your comment about the crystal clear sound of Pat’s guitar on those tracks. Enjoying it right now as I listen, yet again, to “Au Lait.” It’s amazing how many emotions he evokes with his playing. Does anyone play more gorgeous and heartfelt ballads?
MarcNebo
Jul 25 2021
at 11:50 AM
Bookmark and Share sunbear : I totally agree with with your comments with one correction. The Lyle solo is on a synthesizer of some type. I just watched two videos of the song and it is a small keyboard on a stand. Lyle was always a master of getting unusual and incredible sounds of all his synthesizers and keyboards.
sunbear
Jul 25 2021
at 5:00 AM
Bookmark and Share Dear friends, I do too have a deep connection with "Offramp" which actually is the album that I would pick if I had to choose just 1 from all Pat’s catalog and I’m also one of those one’s owning anything from the Gary Burton Days to nowdays, collaborations included.The reasons apart from really loving all the cuts in the album are: A) there is a plethora of styles moods for anytime starting with the futuristic "Barcarole" to the hypnotic-minimalistic groove of "Are You" which of course contains the amazing harmonica solo from Lyle&my personal favorite guitar synth solo from Pat, to the lyrical "Au Lait" which for me is an absolute representative of what ECM music is all about and contains again fantastic solos, to the "rocker" "Eighteen" another favorite, to the frenetic "Offramp" which being the first time on album Pat going so wild in the solo with the guitar synth - I wish only to could have experience the feeling of such a sound at that time!!! To the beautiful "James" with THE solos from Lyle&Pat and the Cinematic "The Bat" which gives me chills every single time. B) I really love the cover artwork & the black& white foto’s are pure joy watching! C) the dynamics of the music varying from "Offramp" to "The Bat" D) being the first PMG album having acoustic & electric bass which gave so much more possibilities to the music&the band. Of course there is Nana but we had already introduced to him with "As Falls" E) all songs are co-written and with the composers being Pat&Lyle and in some also with Nana...what can I add there;) F) the album has 3 songs that have become standards in Pat’s catalog: "Are You" "James" "The Bat" played often as ballad - not bad for 3 standards out of a 7 track album!!! And last but not least G) the clean guitar sound from Pat on "Au Lait" "Eighteen" and "James" is my personal favorite sound of his on record: not so much delay effect as in the 70’s, not so dry as after the end of 80’s and crystal clear but still more an electric clean sound and not so much acoustic mic mix into it! Of course all the above are my personal feelings/thoughts of this album which I’m listening again right now and I wish you all love&peace!
jcoyle231
Jul 24 2021
at 7:52 PM
Bookmark and Share I agree. Offramp was a leap forward for them. There are just so many great recordings they’ve made that this one from long ago gets overlooked, but Au Lait, Eighteen, the Synclavier workout on Offramp, and the great anthem AYGWM all should rank way up there in their pantheon of recordings. It’s been a revelation to revisit it.
BobSmith1
Jul 24 2021
at 1:02 PM
Bookmark and Share Oops, recorded 1981, released ’82.
BobSmith1
Jul 24 2021
at 12:34 PM
Bookmark and Share Strange: I too was recently listening to Au Lait and amazed at how 40 years had passed since 1981 and Offramp’s release. Hearing it I was really struck how Pat and company had evolved the group into the new, very advanced, concert hall sound of the PMG going forward. Wichita was also a harbinger of the evolving sound
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