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plutorider
Mar 26 2011
at 2:49 PM
So many to choose from, I know, but... Does anyone have a favourite album? With reasons would be good...
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bootybandit
Jun 07 2011
at 5:02 PM
Bookmark and Share Hello Oystein. I’m with you. The PMG Self-titled album. The one that started it all for me. Musically and emotionally, it will forever have a special place in my heart.
Charles Tresca
Jun 07 2011
at 4:15 PM
Bookmark and Share There are so many good ones. I recently acquired the music transcription from "Lakes" an old tune from the Watercolors album (1977). It’s amazing how Pat put together those chord changes and was able to master his improve on them. The changes are as very fast, faster and more of them than Coltrane’s "Giant Steps". Yet Pat accomplished that 34 years ago! Who else likes the work Pat did with Brad Mehldau?
rainriver
Jun 07 2011
at 2:33 PM
Bookmark and Share still life (talking) The way up secret story
SirPiano
Jun 06 2011
at 4:24 PM
Bookmark and Share I guess it’s "The Way Up" because it’s the album of Pat’s maturity and it’s so complicated in it’s musical construction that I think that it can be understood at its best above all from those who had studied music ( I did it and I have the perfect pitch, so I really can appreciate this wonderful album in all its parts).
Dazedcat
May 28 2011
at 5:51 PM
Bookmark and Share The First Circle was really the groundbreaking album. Still Life was a great follow up to it and benefitted from being issued on a major label.
yossarian
May 26 2011
at 5:52 PM
Bookmark and Share We’ve got to the stage when there is no classic album from Pat because there has only been one level he plays and composes at - the highest one. Still Life at its time was the ultimate expression of the PMG. With most bands that would have been the legendary album they were always in the shadow of. But every subsequent album has expanded the PMG’s range. TWU was the biggest leap of all and is surely the most ambitious and accomplished of the lot. A ridiculous record. Orchestrion is the one I’m listening to a lot right now. I didn’t really get it for a year but now I’m totally there. Glad Quartet gets a mention below and WLH. Let’s hope it goes on for a little longer... don’t think I want to lose my life’s soundtrack just yet!
AbstraktJazz
May 24 2011
at 6:14 PM
Bookmark and Share The Way Up :)
munizera
May 05 2011
at 12:23 AM
Bookmark and Share Secret Story, followed by Still Life
patsfan
Apr 24 2011
at 1:33 AM
Bookmark and Share It depends on the day of the week, or the week of the month...they all add up to a legendary synergism of incredibly different and creative melodies. And that’s what Pat is all about, creativity, not about one album.
robby27
Apr 22 2011
at 11:49 PM
Bookmark and Share I love Secret Story also. In fact this topic motivated me to put it in the car player this week and give it another listen or 2, or more.
plutorider
Apr 20 2011
at 3:55 PM
Bookmark and Share Well - Secret Story seems to get more people’s votes than any of the others, which is interesting, because Pat himself seems to suggest (in Q&A here) that SS has a special place in his heart too.
BrightSizeFan
Apr 15 2011
at 9:32 PM
Bookmark and Share The Way Up!
METHenyaddicted
Apr 15 2011
at 3:54 PM
Bookmark and Share Listening to this obscure track with Sco "Summertime" from the ’90s and it’s making me stand up and bang the table - it’s classic. My current cd fav is OQN.
Fido
Apr 14 2011
at 10:28 PM
Bookmark and Share This thread reminded me to get out Secret Story again after a little break. It is a record that just gets better and better as the years go by. The compositions are Pat’s most consistently interesting of any of his releases. Substantial melodies AND rich and intriguing treatments of them. Some of the later releases have been below this in terms of melody writing IMHO, especially the PMG records.
SEABOB
Apr 14 2011
at 6:50 PM
Bookmark and Share All of them:)
weeh
Apr 11 2011
at 7:27 AM
Bookmark and Share that’s easy (to me at least): Secret Story. It’s got everything I love about Pat’s music.
Fido
Apr 10 2011
at 11:44 PM
Bookmark and Share "Pilgrimage" is Pat’s best playing on record I think. Secret Story is hands down the best PM or PMG type record, nothing else is even close. Day Trip was a very good trio record. And then, there is always Bright Size Life to put everything else in perspective.
tokeyozi
Apr 09 2011
at 12:52 PM
Bookmark and Share I always seem to come up with the same result when choosing a favourite: American Garage. Possibly because it’s the first PM album I heard. So I guess it’s an emotional thing. I once tried a more objective way of finding my ‘best’ PM record, simply by giving points (on the scale of 1-10) to each individual piece on every album; so, not listening to it ‘as a whole’. Winner, again, and it’s bound to be my desert island disc: American Garage, with an average of 8.7 points, followed by Travels and The Way Up, both 8.5. Try it. Simple arithmetic, it’s true, maybe too simple. But, looking at these 3 albums ‘as a whole’ I can truly say they rank among the best in my PM list.
robby27
Apr 08 2011
at 9:23 PM
Bookmark and Share I agree with several that it’s not easy to pick just one but I probably listen to Letter From Home, We Live Here and Still Life Talking more than any others over the years. Those three take me back to a time in my life when I was doing a lot of traveling and really growing in some interesting ways. Then, I’ve got to include PMG, American Garage and Offramp. Pat’s more straight ahead collaborations opened up my head about my own playing, also. Guess it’s very difficult for me to narrow my favorites down to just one or two.
jugglejazz
Apr 06 2011
at 11:52 AM
Bookmark and Share Agree with ’Foper’ in that there is a leap in Pat’s playing around the mid-80s when he was transitioning from ECM to Geffen. The amount of studio time granted in the new Geffen world was much more than ECM so perhaps that accounts for some of the increase in technical pristineness. Regardless, I have a hard time saying ’best’ or ’favourite’ album. There’s lots of heart and ingenuity in all of them.
planetaoval
Apr 04 2011
at 2:31 PM
Bookmark and Share Secret Story...
chickb
Apr 03 2011
at 10:26 AM
Bookmark and Share First Circle....
MajorJazz
Apr 03 2011
at 12:32 AM
Bookmark and Share Hard to pick just one. Here are my five top picks; 5) Question and Answer. Massive deep compositions and the combination of Metheny and Haynes is the ultimate. 4) Beyond the Missouri Sky. A record for anyone and everyone who loves deep melody. The melodic quality of both Metheny and Haden’s improvisations sets a platform of perfection for ballad playing that only Jarrett can match. 3) 80/81. If only for the amazing composition "Everyday I thank you" and the single greatest Brecker performance of all time 2) Secret Story. Everything the PMG records tried to be and never were finally realized. 1) Bright Size Life. Again if only for the compositional strength but then again, the entire Metheny concept was laid out on this record. Everything that happened afterward was already there fully formed and each year that goes by it becomes more obvious how far ahead he was in 1975. Count me as one of the growing many who predicts that the PMG records will be footnotes to the records PM has done in other settings. He is a great bandleader but has never seemed to put together the right band to get to the same level as what his other records suggest might be possible. But if I did have to put one PMG record in there it would Still Life Talking, if just for the amazing guitar break in Third Wind. Also honorable mentions to One Quiet Night, Orchestrion and Day Trip. Also high marks for both Mehldau collaborations.
METHenyaddicted
Apr 01 2011
at 8:33 PM
Bookmark and Share The next one. It’s always the next best thing.
boz
Apr 01 2011
at 4:58 PM
Bookmark and Share all the ECM ones, but i’m always interested to hear whatever new thing hes working on. i’d also throw in the more travels video, at one point i listened to the version of have you heard from that more than anything.
Bruce
Apr 01 2011
at 11:20 AM
Bookmark and Share s in Boston, and barley, WLH is the most accessable PMG album, because of the 2/4 back beat, for the "average" listener on the street. In fact Pat talks about that album in Q&A and what they were trying to get. It is for me the most "fun" album they played and one that is on heavy rotation in this household! Individual tunes are another matter and AYGWM is my favourite single tune but TTEOTW is 1A as it were. I have been a Metheniac since I first saw him in the American Garage tour in 1978/9. Changed my musical taste and frankly, my life. Huge fan goes without saying.
tiny_tim
Apr 01 2011
at 9:44 AM
Bookmark and Share Guess if I had to narrow it down to "just one"- ’Secret Story’. As much or more a life changing CD as the PMG’s White Album back in ’78. And a most amazing tour back in ’92. Can not believe saying that, without Lyle at the piano/keyboard helm, that was finely managed by Gil Goldstein and Jim Beard.
Oystein
Apr 01 2011
at 7:32 AM
Bookmark and Share We Live Here may be the most underrated (meaning less spoken of) PMG album in this forum. Don`t know why. To The End of The World is in fact one of my favourite PMG tunes all over.
barley
Apr 01 2011
at 6:51 AM
Bookmark and Share Bruce, no snobbery here regarging WLH. In fact "To The End Of The World" would be in my top 5 Metheny tracks.
Brinklehof
Mar 31 2011
at 5:21 PM
Bookmark and Share Hard for me to diferenciate "favorite" from what I feel is "the Best". I discovered Pat with Offramp so it has a special place in my heart with AYGWM being my absolute favorite tune. Other favorite tunes are scattered throughout Pat’s many works. Although like many fans I have a very endearing spot for the older albums since they’ve been with us for so long I feel the level of Pat’s playing and composing today is unsurpassed. For me The Way Up is the best piece of jazz I’ve ever heard. After seeing Pat play the Orchestrion suite six times I would put it second. I think they are the two best fully formed musical ideas he’s presented. Jazz music has always reflected the times. The grove seems so different in the passing eras even within a single artists music. I think Pat has never reflected the times through his personal prisim better than he has been lately
mountain
Mar 31 2011
at 3:40 PM
Bookmark and Share Well, As Falls Witchita So Falls Witchita Falls and Travels have a deep, emotional place in my heart. Overall, my favs change. Offramp, Quartet and The Way Up are high on the list. Hard to just pick one.
mugsy
Mar 31 2011
at 1:41 PM
Bookmark and Share Still Life (talking) was the first PMG concert that I went to. It was mind blowing to say the least. Although I had heard some of Pat’s earlier CDs and (had bought most of the ones I heard)SLT just put the whole thing into perspective for me. I was hooked. Now, I have them all and as I said in an earlier post, each one (or two) are good for different moods and activities. I still contend that (for me) it is really impossible to pick one "favorite". However, I would venture to say that Are You Going With Me is my favorite song...even after all these years. So much to enjoy!
bluepno
Mar 31 2011
at 12:55 PM
Bookmark and Share To me, the sum total of the collected works says so much more than just choosing a personal favorite. With a great musician with a commitment to excellence you can have a complete world view with all the the personal tribulations, inspirations and maturation involved in the journey. Following the life music of Miles, Ellington, Bill Evans,Coltrane and Mingus ,to name a few, are sonic journeys not to be missed. With that said...Secret Story...er...or maybe...
s in Boston
Mar 31 2011
at 11:38 AM
Bookmark and Share Bruce, I love WLH. But yeah, the zone they went into on that one bugs some people. I just feel like it’s Pat and Lyle channeling their inner Earth Wind and Fire, or whatever. And not that he isn’t always "on," but Pat was really ON for that session!
Dazedcat
Mar 30 2011
at 5:53 PM
Bookmark and Share Well I only named one album but others have named more so here’s my holy trinity of PMG records: The Way Up, The White Album and Imaginary Day.
Bruce
Mar 30 2011
at 5:02 PM
Bookmark and Share No love here for "We Live Here"? "To The End of The World" is outstanding as is the title track. Is it the hip-hop back beat that is off-putting for the jazz purist? Or is it snobbery? Wondering.
plutorider
Mar 30 2011
at 2:27 PM
Bookmark and Share I have to make a confession here - I don’t know the White Album...!! but after these recommendations I’ll definitely check it out now.
plutorider
Mar 30 2011
at 2:20 PM
Bookmark and Share @dgaw59 "almost perfect;some hair raising solos" - couldn’t agree more - well said!
sunship
Mar 30 2011
at 10:25 AM
Bookmark and Share If you are going to force me to pick one, it has to be "The White Album". From beginning to end, it is a journey. Not a weak track and it is all very cerebral as well as emotional. What a talent they are.
dgaw59
Mar 29 2011
at 3:27 PM
Bookmark and Share "Still Life (Talking)"- almost perfect;some hair raising solos, though the version of "So It May Secretly Begin" on Trio Live is better than the PMG version on SLT. In fact Trio Live is an absolute knockout. Too many choices...
HAMBONE
Mar 29 2011
at 11:53 AM
Bookmark and Share Here’s another vote for Travels, with the PMG album and TWU a close tie for second.
plutorider
Mar 29 2011
at 11:13 AM
Bookmark and Share I have to say I really love the vocals on that album too.
bluepno
Mar 29 2011
at 7:59 AM
Bookmark and Share Each one evokes memories of the places I’ve been. Which one will it be today? River Quay, Watercolors. What would a building,construction crew in Harvard, Mass. play while framing a house during the 80’s?...Still, Life (Talking).
plutorider
Mar 29 2011
at 7:55 AM
Bookmark and Share Really enjoying these many and varied responses, all interesting and thought-provoking. My own favourites are Offramp and Still Life (talking) - depending on my mood, but probably coming down ultimately on the side of SLT. I still remember clearly the day I first heard it, years ago. I was hanging out with my brother and we went to his girlfriend’s house, and she put the vinyl on the turntable - I had never heard anything like it - the soundworld of that opening passage so pristine somehow, and then bursting into the ecstatic feel of Minuano (6/8). My favourite moment is the climax of that song followed by the laid back beauty of the 2nd track’s opening (So May It Secretly Begin) - lush, spacious chords - it gets me every time.
cdr9
Mar 28 2011
at 4:47 PM
Bookmark and Share Travels for that kickass live version of "Are you going with me". When ever I play it that song just blows me away all over again
Oystein
Mar 28 2011
at 4:14 PM
Bookmark and Share The White Album. Been like that since `78
pat2112
Mar 28 2011
at 2:42 PM
Bookmark and Share "Quartet" Great interplay within the band. Every track a gem.
jsjj21
Mar 28 2011
at 2:42 PM
Bookmark and Share If pressed, I’m struggling between The Way Up and Secret Story...can’t seem to make myself commit to one over the other. Many others are in a very close running. As Mugsy said, it’s a mood thing sometimes.
s in Boston
Mar 28 2011
at 11:15 AM
Bookmark and Share Foper, it’s not chorus . . . . never mind. My favorite is the NEXT one - especially if Lyle is on it.
jxgardner
Mar 27 2011
at 11:35 PM
Bookmark and Share No favorite album....changes from month to month, year to year..
foper
Mar 27 2011
at 7:30 PM
Bookmark and Share Pat seemed to have made a huge leap in his technical playing as well as sound between ’85 and ’87. When I heard ’Still Life (Talking)’ I was blown away at his sound and playing. Far less of that chorus effect, a lot more speed in his playing, and pristinely clean.
john
Mar 27 2011
at 5:38 PM
Bookmark and Share The White Album would be my desert island disc. Cheers John
Chris Digger
Mar 27 2011
at 3:57 PM
Bookmark and Share i would vote for Speaking of Now - Sanchez, Bona and Vu added so much colours to the PMG-sound.
Dazedcat
Mar 27 2011
at 2:40 PM
Bookmark and Share The Way Up
thehague
Mar 27 2011
at 2:14 PM
Bookmark and Share Ditto: Secret Story. Favourite PMG albums: Travels, TWU (but it’s hard to choose).
mugsy
Mar 27 2011
at 1:59 PM
Bookmark and Share For me there is really no "favorite" album. There are different albums for different moods. For instance, if I am in a contemplative or quiet mood - One Quiet Night does it for me. On the other hand Imaginary Day is a fun, free one for me. I really love them all - and listen to them all many times during the week.
Peterw
Mar 27 2011
at 12:38 PM
Bookmark and Share I agree...Secret Story would be my top choice as well.
-m
Mar 27 2011
at 11:31 AM
Bookmark and Share I do! The reason is it is the one I am currently listening to. ;)
jl
Mar 27 2011
at 11:29 AM
Bookmark and Share Pat Metheny Group -White Album....the one that started it all!
barley
Mar 27 2011
at 7:07 AM
Bookmark and Share Secret Story. It doesn’t need a reason.
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