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naut Sep 28 2018 at 5:48 PM	I probably should know this, but I don’t, and searching the web didn’t uncover any answers. Is this trinity a fixed constellation of artists, or is it flexible, depending on who’s judging? Seems that Monk, ’Trane, & Miles could constitute a holy trinity, but then where’s Duke, Bird, Armstrong, or Ella, Billie & Sarah? Or nowadays, Pat, Chick & Gary. Can someone please enlighten me on this Holy Trinity of Jazz? TIA.
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bluepno Dec 15 2018 at 12:15 PM	Satchmo...Bird...Art Tatum...
molesoulsandal Dec 10 2018 at 1:49 PM	ok . . . so what if someone, somewhere, were to say that charlie parker was one of the most overrated musicians in history? what if someone said that very thing? would the presses be stopped? would worlds end? if it were to be said that bird’s most beautifully penetrating music was his ’with strings’ album? that his ’sound’ was his deepest gift? that all the ’notes’ and ’fast playing’ were often times fairly ’sloppy’, especially when compared to someone like cannonball, jackie mclean, or michael brecker? that maybe he wasn’t ’god’, like everyone has been shouting for decades & decades, right up to the present speck, and that maybe he was just a fairly good player from KC, who had an incredibly stunning ’tone’ whenever he would deign to ’sustain’ a note, or two? that maybe he still had a TON to learn about narrative creation & choices, and not to mention subtlety of phrase? everyone has always been looking for somebody else to be ’the best’. they did the same thing w/trane. eric clapton, too. coltrane knew that he still had a lot to learn, but i don’t think that parker did - i could be wrong, but charlie parker didn’t seem to me to be as committed as some others have been. he was a cool musician, tho - anyway, what if somebody said that charlie parker was a fine human being? would that work?
sunship Dec 10 2018 at 11:53 AM	Frank Sexton, What you say is true. But even at my age, I just do not see jazz artists today that are really shifting the art form as some of the artists did in the golden age of jazz. (Do an image search for a gig where Parker, Roy Haynes, Mingus and Monk where all on the stage at the same time. Holy moly, can you imagine being there?) If we are to look at today? Perhaps it is Keith Jarrett - Dave Holland - Jack Dejohnette and Pat Metheny (I do put Pat up there with those guys...)
franksexton Dec 07 2018 at 1:26 PM	hi sunship, I’m 65 myself. I wondered your age because you selected older players , actually quite older than yourself. A younger person than us may have totally different choices. Your selections would be on most lists of all time greatest.
sunship Dec 06 2018 at 1:27 PM	Frank Sexton, I guess my basis would be that the artist had to shift jazz in a different direction after their arrival. Certainly, all of these artist comply with that assessment. Perhaps, making it a true quartet and adding a drummer would have been more clever. But it is hard to limit it to one 4 players. Im 48, why do you ask?
franksexton Dec 05 2018 at 3:42 PM	also you may say for mt. rushmore you have be american ?
franksexton Dec 05 2018 at 3:40 PM	hey sunship , what is the basis for your selections? also may I ask your age ?
sunship Dec 04 2018 at 10:46 AM	The Mount Rushmore of Jazz would be: Charles Mingus Charlie Parker Miles Davis Thelonius Monk
franksexton Nov 01 2018 at 4:40 PM	remember the basement !
molesoulsandal Nov 01 2018 at 1:46 PM	the current, as in ’right now, today’, mt. rushmore of jazz: brian blade, esperanza spalding, and kurt rosenwinkel (i can’t come up with a ’fourth one’ at the moment - maybe christian scott or even shai maestro).
naut Oct 31 2018 at 6:35 PM	I am from another country, frank: America. Ain’t exactly the same place these days as it was when I was growing up. Pat and David did a little song about this malady. "A little piece of you / The little peace in me / Will die / For this..."
franksexton Oct 31 2018 at 11:30 AM	for the Mt. Rushmore of Jazz I’ll add Pat.
franksexton Oct 31 2018 at 10:02 AM	I did mean Mt. Rushmore, sorry. I thought maybe you were from another country and had never heard of it. My Holy trinity , just for argument sake it would a band that could play together. John Coltrane, Charlie Haden, and Antonio Sanchez.
naut Oct 30 2018 at 4:38 PM	Funny as sh#t, hman. Good one! -- You mean Mt. Rushmore, perhaps, frank? (Or were you kidding there, too?) BTW, I think Miles would have to part of any holy trinity of jazz of note.
hman01 Oct 30 2018 at 9:09 AM	Kenny G, Yanni and John Tesh
franksexton Oct 29 2018 at 12:33 PM	i was kidding about the name , of course it would be for 3 jazz musicians who were clearly the greatest. Mt. Everest is a mountain in the U.S. that has the images of who were considered to be four greatest U.S. presidents engraved on it. So who are the greatest 2 (or 4) jazz musicians of all time ? What would the criteria be that one would use to make that judgement ? I remember Pat writing about Miles Davis about how is was a leader in defining first cool jazz, then post bop, and finally jazz fusion. So maybe Miles could be one of you musicians. But if you wanted jazz musicians who were actually holy he probably wouldn’t fit. then you could have John Coltrane who would fit.
naut Oct 28 2018 at 12:14 PM	Nah, frank, that’s just a non-specific designation I came upon a few weeks ago and couldn’t figure out who might be in it. Don’t know about the Mt. Everest of Jazz or why there’d be 4 members.
franksexton Oct 27 2018 at 11:00 AM	is that a group I never heard of before ? how about the Mt. Everest of Jazz (that would be 4 members)?
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