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Tom Rudd
May 13 2011
at 8:08 AM
Listened to this last night for the first time in a long while. This is such a great great jazz recording. Stellar performances by everyone. Still in his 20’s Pats playing is just incredible. A real testament to how great a player he was even back then. Put on Two Folk Songs and crank it up and enjoy the ride!
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MarcNebo
Sep 06 2022
at 9:09 AM
Bookmark and Share I just checked the PM Database and in 1980 all the 80/81 forty shows that year were with the quartet with Motian. In 1981 there was a show in Woodstock NY with the 80/81 quintet (with DeJohnette) and fifteen in Europe. Like I told Fred64, you are very lucky to have seen the whole band.
MarcNebo
Sep 06 2022
at 8:25 AM
Bookmark and Share Fred64 : You are a very lucky man to see the full group from the record. I looked at the Pat Metheny Database and saw your show was on August 24, 1981. I think many of the US shows were a quartet (mine was) and Paul Motian was the drummer. Jack DeJohnette was busy with his own group. I don’t think anyone heard any thing like 80/81 up to that time or since then. It must have been an incredible show. The PMD showed the night before your show that they played only four songs in 111 minutes.
Fred64
Sep 05 2022
at 1:36 PM
Bookmark and Share I had the privilige to hear the full 80/81-quintet with Brecker in Örebro Concerthall in I think september 1981. It was my first concert with Pat aswell, but i had not heard anything like it at that point, I was 17 years old. It was something quite different from Brecker Bros and previous Pat-records. In december i bought the album and really Liked it. Next summer Offramp was released which really got me totally Blown away!
MarcNebo
Aug 21 2022
at 2:54 PM
Bookmark and Share franksexton : If you check out those two 80/81 websites and listen to Pat’s Podcast it will be clear who plays on each track. Also you will learn a wealth of information on the recording. With that knowledge I liked it even more when I re-listened to it the other night. Better and more extensive than liner notes.
MarcNebo
Aug 21 2022
at 2:48 PM
Bookmark and Share facing west : Your Montreal experience beat my Detroit Jazz Festival experience. I went to the 2015 DJF because Pat was the Artist-In-Residence. First night I saw Pat Metheny Trio (Scott Colley and Antonio Sanchez), the Kenny Garrett joined the trio. Second day I caught Gary Burton Quartet (Burton, Pat, Colley and Sanchez). Third day I was supposed to see Pat & Ron Carter duo, but I had a bad fall on the stairs to the stage. Last night, last show was US debut of Pat’s Hommage to Eberhard Weber (Burton, Danny Gottlieb, Colley) and DJF Orchestra. Second part of that show was Pat solo with DJFO. Highlight of my life still. I only saw Michael Brecker with Joni Mitchell back in 1979 (Pat, Lyle, Jaco, Brecker and Don Alias). I always wondered what happened to all those guys.
MarcNebo
Aug 21 2022
at 10:56 AM
Bookmark and Share To all the 80/81 fans at this post I highly recommend reading the two websites and listening to Pat’s 80/81 Podcast. I checked out all three and made notes. Then sat down with my notes, put on my headphones, turned off the lights and listened to 80/81. I always loved that record, but this made me appreciate it even more. Everybody played at such an incredible level and sustained for the entire record. Pat’s Podcast has him, Jack and Charlie discussing the record. 80/81 has some of my favorite playing by all five musicians. I read or heard that Pat, Michael Brecker and Jack said that the record was very significant to them and some of their best work. Another Pat masterpiece in a herd of other masterpieces, and I think one of his best. Going back to my list of favorite Pat records and upon further review 80/81 is now tied with Travels for 1976-1985.
MarcNebo
Aug 19 2022
at 10:36 AM
Bookmark and Share franksexton : Both Dewey and Michael play together on Open, Pretty Scattered and The Bat. Every Day I Thank You, Two Folk Songs are Michael Brecker’s songs. The song 80/81 was written for Dewey by Pat, Turnaround, where Dewey’s. I forgot who played on Open. Still read the two articles as they contain some great insight and stories. One of the articles mentioned that 80/81 was #4 on the Billboard best selling Jazz records that year. The author pointed out that the rest of the top 25 list was pretty tame with artists like John Klemmer, David Sanborn and Spyro Gyra.
MarcNebo
Aug 18 2022
at 8:34 PM
Bookmark and Share franksexton : I just found two websites that should clarify who is playing tenor on each song. First is from somethingelsereviews.com "Pat Metheny - ’80/81’ (1980) : Track By Track Through a Classic" . The second website seems to have more information,"The story behind 80/81, by Pat Metheny-The Music Aficionado. I will read the second one tonight and will update tomorrow.
facing west
Aug 18 2022
at 7:21 PM
Bookmark and Share Marc, Pat was on fire at the Montreal Festival. Most reviews I read of the shows I missed ended with a line something like, "After several hours this reviewer had to leave to make deadline -- Pat and the band were still playing!." We saw Pat duo with Charlie Haden (a pretty laidback affair). On Friday night it was the Gary Burton Reunion. Later that night, Pat moved to an intimate venue for the 80/81 Revisited show with Dewey (in my memory Matt Wilson came close to stealing that show). Then Pat returned to the stage after midnight for a duo with Mick Goodrick. It ended in the early hours of Saturday morning with Pat, after three shows in one night, looking refreshed and ready to go. And he did go--down the highway to Ottawa to play The Way Up with PMG on Saturday night. I mean, that drive alone will tire you out. But the kicker was Sunday. It was hot that day and my wife and I were having an afternoon drink on St. Catherine’s Street when we heard music in the distance. We walked over to find Pat and the band sound checking. Lots of people gathered around the stage shouting out requests. It was a long sound check. After, we stumbled back to our hotel exhausted from the heat and fell asleep- -waking up just in time for the show. A perfect summer night with 100,000 people totally into it. A fitting end to The Way Up tour and possibly the best night of my life. My take-away from the experience is that Pat is not only supremely talented and dedicated, his energy, focus and concentration are other-worldly. I think this comes across on the 80/81 record (to return to the subject). I read somewhere that it was recorded in one day. Can that be true? I feel like I may come to terms with 80/81 in some future life--it’s just a little beyond me. And anyone who saw Pat play live with Michael Brecker is incredibly fortunate.
MarcNebo
Aug 18 2022
at 5:23 PM
Bookmark and Share franksexton : I am with you. I think that Michael Brecker brought his playing up to a new level that it was hard to tell if it was him or Dewey playing. I know it was Brecker on Two Folk Songs and Pat said he had never heard him play like that. When I saw the 80/81 tour it was a quartet (no Brecker).
franksexton
Aug 17 2022
at 1:03 PM
Bookmark and Share one of the things I never looked at was when Michael soloed vs. when Dewey soloed.
MarcNebo
Aug 16 2022
at 4:47 PM
Bookmark and Share facing west : I just checked the 80/81 Revisited gig at the Montreal Jazz Festival at the Pat Metheny Database website. How was Matt Wilson (drummer) in that quartet? It shows the set list and musicians. It looks like Pat was Artist-In- Residence at Montreal that year. Which other shows of Pat’s did you see?
MarcNebo
Aug 16 2022
at 11:31 AM
Bookmark and Share facing west : I was lucky enough to catch the 80/81 tour at the Jazz Showcase in Chicago. The show was in November 1980 and was only a quartet with Pat, Dewey, Charlie and Paul Motian. I only remember it being a great show and I was able to say a few words to Pat and Charlie before the show. I wish I had a Way Back Machine (Rocky and Bullwinkle show) to see that show again, but the record works very well. I believe Jack DeJohnette was unable to tour with that band because of his own band commitments. At least I can say that I saw Paul Motian playing with Pat.
MarcNebo
Aug 15 2022
at 10:13 PM
Bookmark and Share facing west : 100percent agreement with you again. The playing by all on the record is at such I high level. Maybe the best playing by Jack DeJohnette that I have heard. Close second is on Michael Brecker’s Pilgrimage. Check out Pat’s 80/81 Podcast, he says that was a very significant for he and Michael Brecker. Pat was blown away by Brecker’s solo on Two Folk Songs. I am still amazed how at Pat’s age at the time he put that band together.
facing west
Aug 15 2022
at 8:42 AM
Bookmark and Share This album is so advanced I still haven’t caught up to it yet. Saw Pat’s 80/81 Revisited show with Dewey Redman at the Montreal Jazzfest in 2005, and that helped. What a wonderful performance. But the 80/81 record is just a monster.
MarcNebo
Jul 08 2022
at 6:17 PM
Bookmark and Share I just did the math and at the time of the recording Pat was 26 (25), Michael Brecker was 31, Charlie Haden 43, Jack DeJohnette 38 and Dewey Redman 49. Once again Pat put together an incredible band together at 26 years old.
MarcNebo
Jun 30 2022
at 11:01 AM
Bookmark and Share Tom Rudd : Back in May I received a book from Jazzwise magazine, The 100 Jazz Albums That Shook The World (2022 Edition). Pat Metheny’s 80/81 came in at 31st place. Stuart Nicholson, the reviewer said that "it not only considered to be one of the guitarist’s best albums, for many it’s one of the best jazz albums made during the final 25 years of the 20th century." He continued the review with quotes from other publications and then wrote "Such claims are not without foundation, since for two of the participants, Metheny and Brecker, the record constituted a "life-changing experience." The review went on to breakdown the record song by song. He said on release 80/81 made it to N0. 4 on the Billboard Jazz chart. He quoted Pat saying that 80/81 was his best of his ECM recordings. I noticed your post was from May 2011, good way to bring it back.
bluepno
May 20 2011
at 1:45 PM
Bookmark and Share You could try a digital burn from the analog LP...The stuff I use sound pretty good. Macs have the software built in. I use M audio digital recorder M1.
ZMan
May 20 2011
at 9:37 AM
Bookmark and Share I can buy Pretty Scattered on Itunes, but not Open (it’s "album only"). Anyone know where I could possibly buy that single track (Open), so I’d have the full album?
PeeWee
May 19 2011
at 10:15 PM
Bookmark and Share The Vinyl version is a 2-record set, and has the same tunes (including Open and Pretty Scattered)
PeeWee
May 19 2011
at 10:11 PM
Bookmark and Share I have it on both Vinyl and CD..
Dazedcat
May 19 2011
at 7:59 PM
Bookmark and Share The current 80/81 on CD is a double disc set containing all the original tunes. I’m pretty sure the original single CD release has been long out of print now.
ZMan
May 19 2011
at 6:01 PM
Bookmark and Share I haven’t listened to this in ages as well. And I noticed the CD I bought way back when is only a single disc and only includes 6 tracks: Two Folk Songs, Every Day, Goin’ Ahead, 80/81, The Bat, and Turnaround. So it’s missing Pretty Scattered and Open. Damn. Are there any other tunes on the vinyl version other than the ones mentioned above (I don’t have my LP handy)?
HAMBONE
May 19 2011
at 12:08 PM
Bookmark and Share I pulled the album out last night and played it all the way through for the first time in a long time. It’s amazing every time I listen to one of Pat’s older pieces how timeless and progressive his music has been. 30 years, and it seems like yesterday.
sunship
May 19 2011
at 7:44 AM
Bookmark and Share Indeed, 80/81 is really something else. That album introduced me to Dejohnette and really opened my mind as to what modern jazz drumming was. I mean the guy is on fire on that album. 80/81 is very unique. It stands outside of anything else that Metheny has done. It has a special quality that define what Pat was doing at that time, and really holds up today. It still feels fresh in my mind.
dcm
May 18 2011
at 6:09 PM
Bookmark and Share I had the privilage of seeing Pat and Mike Brecker play Everyday I Thank You at the Iron Horse in Northampton,Ma some years back on a short tour for the Tales From the Hudson CD. It was a very special evening. E.D.I.T.Y. is quite possibly my favorite tune in any genre ever.Something about that song,man.
transcendentman
May 17 2011
at 6:28 PM
Bookmark and Share check out going ahead around 2:35-6 ish and youll hear what im talking about
s in Boston
May 17 2011
at 1:59 PM
Bookmark and Share The full 80/81 band - Pat, Michael, Dewey, Charlie, and Jack - actually did a very brief tour of the European jazz festivals in the summer of 1981. Of course, Pat also did some offbeat gigs with Jack and Charlie from time to time, as well as a quarte with Dewey featuring Paul Motian on drums . . . but the 80/81 band really did do a brief tour.
Tom Rudd
May 17 2011
at 11:44 AM
Bookmark and Share Cool would of loved to have seen that. Never heard of The Woodstock Jazz Festival, was that a one off?
Photon Man
May 17 2011
at 9:20 AM
Bookmark and Share Tom, the closest thing to this tour that I have seen out there is a DVD from the Woodstock Jazz Festival in 1981. The band is Pat, Jack, Dewey, and Miroslav Vitous. They play Broadway Blues in a similar vibe to that of the 80/81 record.
MarcNebo
May 15 2011
at 10:41 PM
Bookmark and Share I saw them in Chicago at the Jazz Showcase. It was Pat, Charlie, Dewey and Jack. It was a great show. I don’t remember a lot except everybody was hot.
chetweir
May 15 2011
at 11:56 AM
Bookmark and Share Couldn’t agree more.Love Jacks playing especially on Turnaround......I used to have this on vinyl.Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t there a tune on the record that’s not on the C.D. ?
dgaw59
May 15 2011
at 6:55 AM
Bookmark and Share "Every Day I Thank You"-gorgeous tune. What a line-up on that record. Saw Brecker for free at a jazz fest in TN. One of the giants.
transcendentman
May 14 2011
at 2:44 PM
Bookmark and Share listen to the rythmic pulse on going ahead, man the whole album is heavy
tokeyozi
May 14 2011
at 3:49 AM
Bookmark and Share Two Folk Songs was even released as a single in the NL back then, as it was the opening tune with a very popular TV programme; I believe it did make the charts for 1 or 2 weeks.
Tom Rudd
May 13 2011
at 7:34 PM
Bookmark and Share Does anyone know if there was a small club tour with this release? If the there was it must of been a hell of a show.I miss Michael. huge loss to the jazz world.
mugsy
May 13 2011
at 7:10 PM
Bookmark and Share Hey Tom, I couldn’t agree more! Ever since I first heard this recording I have always LOVED Two Folk Songs... they remain my favorite on this CD. It brings me joy to listen, but also sadness to realize that Pat and Michael will never play together again.
Dazedcat
May 13 2011
at 2:41 PM
Bookmark and Share When it comes to classic LP’s like this I always think album sides. This was around the time that I started to seriously get into jazz music and letting the fusion thing finally go. Side 3 was my personal favorite with "Open" and "Pretty Scattered". Free, swinging, borderline avant and just killer playing.
HAMBONE
May 13 2011
at 11:42 AM
Bookmark and Share You’re so right Tom. And it was the beginning of the great collaborations that Pat had with Michael Brecker until his untimely death. It’s still hard to fathom they won’t be playing together anymore.
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